Defiant Joy // Natalie & Vera

"These are the words that we need in our own despondency and our sadness and the hard reality of living in the world that we live in. We need a defiant, 'Yet I will rejoice in the Lord. I will be joyful in God my Savior.'" — Natalie Abbott

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November 19, 2025

Join Dwell Differently cofounders and sisters Natalie Abbott and Vera Schmitz as they talk about finding joy even in the toughest situations—in the Bible and in their own lives. They help us understand Habakkuk's struggle for defiant joy in spite of his fear and his complete lack. They also talk about the gritty daily reality of choosing joy every day—especially when life feels bleak. They are compassionate and compelling. It's a message you won't want to miss.

NOVEMBER DWELL VERSE

"Yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will be joyful in God my Savior." — Habakkuk 3:18

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Natalie Abbott and Vera Schmitz

Vera and Natalie are sisters and co-founders of Dwell Differently. They are also the co-authors of Dwell on These Things Bible study and Dwell Differently: Overcome Negative Thinking with the Simple Practice of Memorizing God’s Truth. Together they create the images and content that help you memorize and meditate on one Bible verse every month.